Nick Bradbury : Comments
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RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
@Nick: I mean the tag thing only for filtering, not transforming the tags into a hierachy themselfs. The SQL should not be too complicated (well, depending on the table structure) to get the other tags on the items that have the currently selected tag, for a three table version it might be something like this: SELECT * FROM tags WHERE tags.id IN ( SELECT post_tags.tag_id FROM post_tags WHERE post_tags.post_id IN ( SELECT post_tags.post_id FROM post_tags JOIN tags ON tags.id = post_tags.tag_id WHERE tags.name = '' GROUP BY post_tags.post_id ) ) AND tags.name '' GROUP BY tags.id As the query should be performed when the user expands the item only this beasts performance is negligible. Having that said I can live without this feature - for now :]Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-27 04:30:16

@Nick: I mean the tag thing only for filtering, not transforming the tags into a hierachy themselfs. The SQL should not be too complicated (well, depending on the table structure) to get the other tags on the items that have the currently selected tag, for a three table version it might be something like this: SELECT * FROM tags WHERE tags.id IN ( SELECT post_tags.tag_id FROM post_tags WHERE post_tags.post_id IN ( SELECT post_tags.post_id FROM post_tags JOIN tags ON tags.id = post_tags.tag_id WHERE tags.name = '' GROUP BY post_tags.post_id ) ) AND tags.name '' GROUP BY tags.id As the query should be performed when the user expands the item only this beasts performance is negligible. Having that said I can live without this feature - for now :]Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-27 04:30:16
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
Nick, can i have a beta version to test, please? I'm a loyal power user of FD and i really, really miss exactly this feature. My feedback might be especially useful as i use FD for offline reading about 80% of the time.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-27 04:30:16

Nick, can i have a beta version to test, please? I'm a loyal power user of FD and i really, really miss exactly this feature. My feedback might be especially useful as i use FD for offline reading about 80% of the time.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-27 04:30:16
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
Interesting concept. Though I use tags extensively in my notes applications, I hadn't really considered tagging in my newsreader. I'll certainly give it a good try when either the new version or a beta is available. Thank you for your continued efforts, Nick! JimNick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

Interesting concept. Though I use tags extensively in my notes applications, I hadn't really considered tagging in my newsreader. I'll certainly give it a good try when either the new version or a beta is available. Thank you for your continued efforts, Nick! JimNick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
FWIW, with respect to keeping posts, I think that the expected behavior would be to purge read posts when the Cleanup Wizard runs, even if they have tags (presumably, they're less relevant due to their age), UNLESS the posts have been saved to a News Bin ... I mean Clippings folder. :)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

FWIW, with respect to keeping posts, I think that the expected behavior would be to purge read posts when the Cleanup Wizard runs, even if they have tags (presumably, they're less relevant due to their age), UNLESS the posts have been saved to a News Bin ... I mean Clippings folder. :)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
@Dan, that's not true. Tagging is a manual operation done by the user. Why bother tagging a post if it's going to get deleted soon anyway? Tagging something (again, manually. If those are just automatically generated tags then it would be different) makes sense if you want to keep the tag on the post, and for that you need to keep the post itself. Otherwise you go from answer to "What are all the posts about politics/economics/tv/whatever I found interesting and wanted to keep as reference?" To answers to "What are all the posts about whatever I found interesting, in the last 2 days for busy feeds and the last 30 days for slow updating feeds, and wanted to keep for undefined temporary reference?" . I think that the tags would (for some people, myself included) in effect function as a superior version of the news bins. Maybe, from the technical side, there may be a fixed news bin used for "Tagged" posts, and anything tagged will be copied there automatically. But that's an implementation detail, and not something that I think users should constantly maintain manually.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

@Dan, that's not true. Tagging is a manual operation done by the user. Why bother tagging a post if it's going to get deleted soon anyway? Tagging something (again, manually. If those are just automatically generated tags then it would be different) makes sense if you want to keep the tag on the post, and for that you need to keep the post itself. Otherwise you go from answer to "What are all the posts about politics/economics/tv/whatever I found interesting and wanted to keep as reference?" To answers to "What are all the posts about whatever I found interesting, in the last 2 days for busy feeds and the last 30 days for slow updating feeds, and wanted to keep for undefined temporary reference?" . I think that the tags would (for some people, myself included) in effect function as a superior version of the news bins. Maybe, from the technical side, there may be a fixed news bin used for "Tagged" posts, and anything tagged will be copied there automatically. But that's an implementation detail, and not something that I think users should constantly maintain manually.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
@Yaron - That's why god invented checkboxes. And why Nick implemented them. :)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

@Yaron - That's why god invented checkboxes. And why Nick implemented them. :)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: FeedDemon Tagging Update 
@Dan - Yes, well, I do agree with that. Checkboxes are very good. Especially if it's someone else who has to write the code to support both options. I just felt it's appropriate to make it obvious that the alternative option is indeed wanted, or expected, by users. It reduces the chance of a false assumption that my expected behaviour is not one of the expected behaviours of users, and that maybe it's not worth the effort of adding the nice checkbox.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

@Dan - Yes, well, I do agree with that. Checkboxes are very good. Especially if it's someone else who has to write the code to support both options. I just felt it's appropriate to make it obvious that the alternative option is indeed wanted, or expected, by users. It reduces the chance of a false assumption that my expected behaviour is not one of the expected behaviours of users, and that maybe it's not worth the effort of adding the nice checkbox.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: Your Customer Have Enough Work to Do 
A consequence of (Steve) Job's Paradox, to the effect that it takes a lot of complexity (e.g., software) to make something simple (e.g., the Mac). Reducing keystrokes to accomplish a given task is always a good goal, while trying to figure out a 'typical' customer's workflow may well be impossible. The simple things come first, like increasing the font size within the application, even though custoemrs can do that with the screen's DisplayProperties, but don't. So far as I know, all attempts of having a program 'learn' a customer's workflow have been disappointing. Certainly challenging. Our experience has been that good, useful ideas bubble up when actually talking with a customer, but unfortunately that doesn't happen as much as we'd like.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

A consequence of (Steve) Job's Paradox, to the effect that it takes a lot of complexity (e.g., software) to make something simple (e.g., the Mac). Reducing keystrokes to accomplish a given task is always a good goal, while trying to figure out a 'typical' customer's workflow may well be impossible. The simple things come first, like increasing the font size within the application, even though custoemrs can do that with the screen's DisplayProperties, but don't. So far as I know, all attempts of having a program 'learn' a customer's workflow have been disappointing. Certainly challenging. Our experience has been that good, useful ideas bubble up when actually talking with a customer, but unfortunately that doesn't happen as much as we'd like.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: Tagging in FeedDemon: What Would You Like to See? 
Few things: 1. Ability to tag posts without modal dialog. 2. Ability for FeedDemon to suggest tags, I most likely would add to the post (based on tags I set to previous posts with similar content) 3. Ability to read tags put for common tagging sites (like technorati)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37

Few things: 1. Ability to tag posts without modal dialog. 2. Ability for FeedDemon to suggest tags, I most likely would add to the post (based on tags I set to previous posts with similar content) 3. Ability to read tags put for common tagging sites (like technorati)Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-20 03:29:37
RE: Tagging in FeedDemon: What Would You Like to See? 
@Yaron: The way I have it now, tagged posts are NOT automatically purged, and the Cleanup Wizard enables skipping tagged posts.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-13 03:27:37

@Yaron: The way I have it now, tagged posts are NOT automatically purged, and the Cleanup Wizard enables skipping tagged posts.Nick Bradbury : Comments, 2008-10-13 03:27:37




